My Favorite Quotes from Famous Homeschoolers

December 6th, 2010

Probably the most famous homeschooling family in all of the world, the Jim Bob Duggars have homeschooled all of their school aged children. They currently have nineteen kids and at least four of them are old enough to have graduated from highschool.  Of course none of them have graduated from highschool, but they have reached an age where they could have had their local schools not been so teeming with the spawn of Satan’s hordes. At this juncture, none of the Duggar’s older children have attended college.

The Duggars homeschool their children via a variety of curriculum including material from fundamentalist right wing Christian cult leader Bill Gothard’s ‘Institute in Basic Life Principles’. Among his many biblical based principles, Gothard is known to teach that…

A mother violates Scripture when she works outside the home.

Married couples are to abstain from sex 40 days after the birth of a son,

Married couples are to abstain from sex 80 days after the birth of a daughter. (It takes longer to clear out the girly germs?)

No sex prior to the evening before worship.

People should avoid rock and even contemporary Christian music because it can be addictive.

Men should track their wives menstrual cycles.

Women who ride horses are rebellious. (Rebelling against what?  Cars?)

With principles like the ones listed above, it is absolutely fascinating to consider the possible future careers of the Duggar children!  Witch doctoring and voodoo priestess might immediately spring to mind, but Jim Bob has much more lofty goals for his eldest son Josh.

“Joshua enjoys the car business.  You get to meet a lot of neat, interesting people.  You get to drive a lot of cars.  And it’s fun just like doin’ hands on work versus being a factory or somewhere closed up throughout the day”

Jim Bob Duggar

So Jim Bob’s vision for his son involves either running the family car lot or…

‘like doin hands on work’

or

‘being a factory’

or

‘somewhere closed up throughout the day.’

Is that last sentence a veiled reference to prison?  Does Jim Bob Duggar think that the only options for his son are used car salesman, being a factory, or life in prison?  Holy Hell!  No wonder he homeschooled him!

Another quote from Jim Bob reveals his other worldly child surveillance system…

It’s a daily job to keep up with their hearts and attitudes and actions. I don’t know how any parent can do this without pointing to a relationship with God. Even when parents aren’t around, there’s nothing they can get away with!

Jim Bob Duggar

Awesome thinking Jim!  That’s way better than actually having to watch your kids yourself!  Next up he tackles the future careers of his daughters…

The girls have talked about doing some classes about being a midwife or they may want to be a nurse… we would support then in whatever field they feel like the Lord is pursuing them to go into.  BUT we also want them to be prepared for the different secular teaching and stuff that’s taught in those schools.  I believe our children, each one would be prepared to face those different view points at that time, but I think it’s something that each parent must prepare their children for that.

Jim really is a spectacular wordsmith isn’t he?  According to this fine quote the career options of his daughters include…

‘doing some classes about being a midwife’

‘nurse’

‘whatever field the Lord is pursuing them to go into.’

For an excellent post on Duggar homeschooling versus public schooling – click here.

And here’s a look at what a day in the life of the Duggar homeschool is like…

The Duggars visit a public school.

Reality Check –The utter chaos of Duggar homeschooling

At one point on their television show Nineteen Kids and Counting, the Duggar boys were asked about their future careers.  This is what they said…

Jedediah Duggar – missionary because he likes studying the bible.

Josiah – Doesn’t know what he’s going to do

Jason – Missionary

James – Missionary

Jackson – Wants to be a policeman cause they can shoot guns and they can help people.

Jeremiah – Artist (uh oh Duggars!  You gotta live one!)

John David – ‘Fixin’ to start my own towing business’.

______________________________________________________________________

Another famous homeschooler who never fails to inspire me in many, many, many ways is my favorite blogger of all time – Ree Drummond.  Here are a few of her more inspirational homeschooling quotes…

Homeschooling is so much fun! More than anything, I just love learning. And I love to impart that passion for learning to my young, impressionable children.

,

“Why do they even HAVE science?”


I hate Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.


Why do they even HAVE Einstein?


“Some days we do school. Some days we don’t. It all depends on whether or not I’m in the mood.”


“Can you tell I wouldn’t care one iota if mathematics disappeared from the earth altogether and never came back?”


“I’d always heard from seasoned, experienced homeschoolers that the best day of their lives was when one of the older kids began teaching one of the younger kids.

“If you’ve read anything I’ve written about my homeschooling journey to the center of insanity, you’ll know that when it comes to homeschooling materials, I’m…well, I’m the fickle type. I still haven’t figured out whether or not being a homeschooler is really just a strange opportunity to express some latent need to shop”

 

___________________________________

 Some of you may remember a few years back when Ree promoted the awesome homeschooling tool, Choreganizers on her website.  As usual, I was so inspired by her post that I immediately set about creating my own special Choreganizers to help my boys with their uh…. aim. Well guess what!  The woman who created Choreganizers is a homeschooler too!  Here are a few of her awesome reflections on why she chose to homeschool…

I wanted to be the one to see my children learn something new and amazing and watch their eyes sparkle with amazement. But as time went on, our reasons were much more spiritual and had deeper biblical roots. We began to understand that it would be better for our children to learn nothing than it would be for them to learn lies. The public school system does teach a religion and that is the religion of humanism and evolution. We also saw so many negative influences children pick up on just by being with “foolish” peers all day! The Bible say that foolishness is bound up in the heart of a child so spending all day with fools doesn’t really make sense. We must teach this foolishness out of our children using God’s precious Word and we are able to do this because we spend time with them building godly character as we go through our days together. So even though our children have excelled academically, we consider it a true educational success if our children graduate with a love for the Lord!

Jennifer Steward – creator of ‘Choreganizers’

Furthermore, here is what this astute and wise homeschooling mom had to say about world population…

The idea that the world is overpopulated and in need of reducing the number of consumers who are damaging the earth and using up the resources has been promoted for a long time. But this is not a biblical world view, because if you’ve ever flown in an airplane and looked down, you can see that there are vast amounts of land area and only small clusters where cities are located. The scriptures are correct (as always!)

Jennifer Steward – creator of Choreganizers

_________________________________________

A few weeks ago, I wrote a little post on Susan Wise Bauer and her self-labeled ‘hive mind’ followers. That post contained several homeschooling quotes from Bauer, the author of the Well Trained Mind, but I somehow missed this one…

The truth is, I am teaching my sons at home for religious reasons; I find most classrooms to be toxic social environments, where children are taught to gang up on the weakest to survive. As a Christian, I want my own sons to turn away from violence, to learn humility, compassion, and patience. This, to me, is proper socialization. It isn’t going to take place if my three boys are surrounded for most of each day by a crowd of peers who thrive on aggression and a steady diet of multimedia bloodshed.

Susan Wise Bauer – Author of ‘The Well Trained Mind’

Yes Susan – I’ve noticed that too.  My kids regularly come home absolutely soaked in the blood of their public school classmates whom they have exchanged flesh cleaving blows with throughout the school day.  I have no idea how our local district has managed to win a $150,000 award from Intel for excellence in math education!  It must be just another vicious Satanic lie to keep my babies from Jesus.

Finally we arrive at a new class of homeschooling nutjobs – celebrity homeschoolers.  Here is what they have to say about the wonders of homeschooling as well as some stellar commentary on the drawbacks of regular old classroom education that us non-celebrity types must endure.

The school system in this country – public and private – is designed for the industrial age,” she said. “We’re in a technological age. We don’t want our kids to memorize. We want them to learn.

Jada Pinkett Smith

Oh I know Jada!  I hate it how my kids go to school and are forced to lay railroad ties and operate treadle sewing machines in a dimly lit factory that turns into a blazing inferno at least once a week!  And then they have to memorize the alphabet and all those stupid numbers!  So entirely irrelevant!  I wish they could only learn instead!

Erykah Badu had this to say about her son Seven whom she homeschooled all the way through the first grade and who was eleven at the time of this interview…

“He developed an edge in his schoolwork,” notes Badu. “He enjoys challenges…He pushes himself…He does his homework voluntarily. He does not want to miss school or be late or be untidy or not have his things in order because that was a big part of how he was brought up. I don’t have any idea what Seven is going to choose to do, but he knows how to be disciplined and how to learn, and because of that he’s one of the top students in his school, and one of the top students in Dallas.”

Erykah Badu

Heck yeah Erykah!  I can so totally see how those years and years of homeschooling turned your son from the typical catatonic second grader into a tidy, school loving, top student in Dallas!  Who knows what would have happened to him if he had gone to kindergarten with everyone else!

“We see what our son is interested in, and gently introduce new ideas. We listen to him and try not to overwhelm him, or push him when he’s not ready. Our general rule is, ‘Don’t fight the kid.’ We don’t do flashcards or sing the alphabet song when he shows an interest in letters, but when he asks ‘Can I make a name card for someone?’ we write out the name and let him trace out the letters.”

Neuroscience major and child sitcom star – Mayim Bialik aka ‘Blossom’

I totally concur Blossom.  Alphabet song BAD.  Making name cards GOOD!

“And we homeschool Suri – she has a teacher who is with her every day. We like the one-on-one education. I’m happy that my daughter is strong-willed and determined. You really have to go with what the child is wanting.”

Katie Holmes

All I can say to this one is – who wouldn’t look to the Cruise family for parenting guidance?

And finally we come to Blair. Remember Blair of The Facts of Life?

 

The role of Blair was played by Lisa Whelchel who eventually went onto author several homeschooling books as well as a slew of Christian devotionals for women.  Here is what she has to say about homeschooling…

“My oldest daughter, Haven, is a gifted student. Because we don’t have to place any limits on her progress, she is able to set her goal of graduating by the age of 14. From there, she has already plotted her course through Patrick Henry College and onto a career in politics, leading to her election as the first female president of the United States.”

Need I say more?

Well – maybe just a little…

In conclusion, homeschooling truly is the choice for people who want their kids…

Doin’ hands on work, while escaping the blood bath that is your average public school, while fixin’ to start their own missionary towing business to fleeing the industrialized age and learning to deal with having the weird name of ‘Seven’ to ultimately becoming the first female president of the United States!

HOLY CRAP!

I am so yanking my kid’s butts out of public school today!  I only hope there is still time to save them!

 

Comments

  • Inga:

    How do our kids make it through the day???

    So sad that those people are so afraid of anything different.

    Inga

    • Stella:

      LOL! You mean like all of you in this combox?

  • All of these things are exactly what terrified me when we made the decison to home school our son this year. Not that he was being ‘forced’ to learn industrial labor skills in public school, but that people would think I was a denim-jumper wearing, bible-thumping (or Xenu worshipping) freak.

    We don’t discuss religion with our son. If he asks about a certain faith, I tell him what I know or we look it up together. The very idea that people homeschool their children for ‘religious reasons’ makes no sense to me. Whether your child believes in Sky-daddy or not, he or she is going to at some point in their lives, deal with other people in society who’s beliefs may be different from theirs.

    We chose to homeschool for many reasons, mostly because my son was having a horrible time with assessment tests and some serious bullying issues that the school just plain refused to address. When a 9-year old is verbally and physically assaulted on a daily basis, and tells you they have nothing to live for, you get them out of that situation. If the roles were reversed and it had been either myself or my husband abusing him, he would have been removed from our home.

    I was terrified of homeschooling at first. Where would we get our cirriculum, would it be all ‘Jesus-y’? What about the dreaded ‘socialization’ that our son would surely be missing out on? So far, my fears have been for naught. We are using the K12 program through the Lawrence Kansas school district’s virtual school program. They supplied all the non-Jesus textbooks and workbooks we could ever hope for. It’s been wonderful for us, and as for socialization, I think my son is busier than he ever was in public school. Between bowling every Tuesday, field trips, play groups, etc, he gets around more than I do. Most importantly, he loves it. If he didn’t like it, I would put him back in public schook but he says he doesn’t want to go back.

    As for the Duggars and their ilk, if this makes them happy, then whatever. But I think they are doing their children a tremendous disservice by keeping them so isolated from the rest of society. Why wouldn’t you want your child to know about Darwin or Einstein or other religious concepts? Why would you want to keep your child ignorant of the rest of the world? I’m all for public school when it works, and the majority of the time, it works well. When it got to where it wasn’t working for our son, we decided to try something different.

    • amy:

      What a mature (and honest) response. I totally see homeschooling in certain situations. I have a friend whose child has SID and Asperger-type issues. She took him out of private school in first grade because he was not able to tolerate the clamor of being in a group or learn in a classroom environment. He was struggling, so she homeschools him. She’s sacrificed a lot for that kid and he is doing really well now. She has another child in school.

  • What I know about public school is this, it will help prepare my kids for life. Life is full of different people with different beliefs, cultures, talents, etc.. Yes, you can learn about these things in books in the comfort of your own home, but in my experience exposure is the more powerful teacher. How do people expect their kids to accept these differences and achieve goals if they’ve never been exposed?! This is what boggles my mind. To me, what they are teaching and perpetuating is the belief that different is bad and we are better than you. How is a kid supposed to spread their wings, become independant in thought, make their own informed choices, develop a belief system independant of their parents, if we don’t let them try?

  • Shelley:

    I love picturing you writing these – poking the pig with the blunt end of a wet twig indeed!

    • Rechelle:

      It was a fun one to write. I hardly had to say anything though. Just let the religious right do the talking for themselves. It’s always entertaining.

  • Irma:

    I actually do believe that there are times when home-schooling is the best option. No, wait a minute, I DO. If you are in a very remote area, or in an environment where the schools are substandard AND you are qualified to teach your kids? Go for it!

    But I also have to remember my former sister-in-law who was homeschooling her two kids, because she couldn’t find a school that followed their Christian beliefs. In VANCOUVER. Seriously, Google Vancouver and tell me if you think it’s some back water town. ANY school, based on ANY doctrine, was available to her….but still? Not “enough” for her.

    This is the same woman who went overseas to serve a mission while pregant. I am NOT against missions in any way, but on her return, I asked her, “How many wells did you dig? How many schools did you build?’

    NONE, but they had spread The Word, which is more important!!

    She lost her pregnancy on that trip (and I am sorry for that), but her response was that “It was God’s will!”"

    No, dumbass, God had nothing to do with it. You were living in an area with no concept of hygiene or medical care. THAT’S what happened.

    And I DO believe in Go. I also just happen to think he expects us to not act like morons.

    • Kait:

      Which Vancouver? Vancouver, WA or Vancouver, BC? I am from the Vancouver, BC and they don’t teach religion in schools in Canada unless they are private schools. There are Catholic private schools, Chinese private schools and Hindu schools. They all have religion as part of their curriculum, there is no need for public schools to have the same. Our public schools are full of children from all over the world and most have some other religion different from their classmates.

      • Irma:

        Vancouver BC. And yes, I know religion isn’t taught in public schools, I am also in Canada. I was referring specifically to the dozens of private Christian schools she could have chosen.

  • Irma:

    Ok, I have to laugh at myself….I don’t believe in Go. I do believe in God.

    • Inga:

      I thought that was funny too!

      Inga

    • Kait:

      Go! That is a Japanese board game. No?
      LOL

  • susan:

    A huge part of public school is learning to deal with peers and all the angst that ensues. If you can get past the teenage years intact and a person with empathy for others, that is the most positive benefit.

  • Kait:

    Damn rights that Rock ‘n Roll is highly addictive! Thank Gah!

    I am so sorry there are so many stupid people out there who will not allow their children to become what they might, by instead forcing them into miniature versions of themselves.

  • Jennine:

    You want to be outraged by the religious right?
    Read Debi Pearl’s “Created to be His Help Meet”.

    • Kait:

      Is that honestly supposed to be “Meet” , cause I don’t even want to know what context they are using that word in then.

  • Rechelle, this post totally reminded me of this (very funny) video –

    The Secret Lives Of Atheists-

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbfFAYn8bgc

    The stereotypes here are definitely cranked up a bit- but only a bit.

  • Carol:

    Suri Cruise isn’t homeschooled, she’s being privately tutored. Just like rich people have always done.

    And, FWIW, my eldest was homeschooled until the 6th grade. His TEACHERS told me that his diligence came from being homeschooled.
    You are reading Mayim Bialik incorrectly too. She didn’t say the song was bad, just that isn’t how she teaches it. (And I am sure she is qualified to teach her own kids, she’s a big smarty pants.)
    Jada and Will Smith started a private Dianetics school, so her quote is about L.Ron’s learning tech, not about school per se. Muddies the waters when you start mixing in such random people, celebrities who are qualified to teach their kids, celebrities hiring a certified teacher , celebrity who opened a private school – all non-Christians and toss them in with various right wing nutburgers.

    • Rechelle:

      All of the quotes about the homeschooling celebrities came from an article on homeschooling. Here is the link http://www.onlineuniversities.com/blog/2010/04/10-celebs-who-homeschool-their-kids/ I read several other articles that confirmed the information in this article. The Pinket/Smith family has recently moved from homeschooling to a type of school that they have invented for themselves. Blossom is clearly making a value judgement in her statement. It’s a typical ‘unschool’ type of mentality – anything traditional or tried and true is somehow restraining for children’s minds. The only way that kids can really learn is if no one ever tells them what to do.

      ‘celebrities who are qualified to teach their kids?’ Who gets to decide that? If the Cruises call it homeschooling – who am I to say it is not? Who are you to say it is not? Seems to me that they would know better than either of us would. And ‘being a big smarty pants does not qualify someone to teach’.

      • jalf:

        Here’s a funny thing. I went to a public school. And we had quite a few different teachers, because they had to teach a lot of different things. I don’t think I’ve ever met a person who was “qualified” to teach *every* subject.

        And even if they were, I’d still have missed out on the opportunity to learn from the different teachers’ different views on things.

        I don’t have a lot of experience with homeschooling (it’s practically nonexistent here — and yet our children survive!), but I really hate the rhetoric that “I can teach just as well as a whole group of people who actually dedicated years of their lives to 1. understanding the subject, and 2. learning how to teach it to others.

        It just seems so insulting.

  • Kay in KCMO:

    The Duggars are just…wow. I watch the show occasionally and am frequently amazed at some of the things they say/do. Earlier this year one of the littlest girls (Johanna?) was running around climbing on everything and she said through her pacifier, “I’m going to have lots of kids!” This was a two-year-old saying this! Can you say brainwashing? I would love to know what they say amongst themselves when the cameras aren’t around. These are seriously creepy people. And they’re also attention whores: they were sending out press releases about the births of their children long before they were on TV.

    One of my nephews was homeschooled for a couple of years due to the fact that he was the victim of vicious bullying in jr. high; the staff and administration flatly refused to do anything about it. He’s a gifted kid and very self-directed. He’s now in a private school with other nerds and gets along well.

    • Betsy:

      Brainwashed? Seriously – now let me be clear that 19 kids is ridiculous, but brainwashed is equally ridiculous. You rarely find a little girl that doesn’t want to be a mother, of course she was saying that.

      • Kay in KCMO:

        She was (read closely) TWO FUCKING YEARS OLD!!! Jeebus!

        • Betsy:

          I did read closely – yeah TWO YEARS OLD. Are you ever around children? It makes sense…its a natural thing to want children…even when you are a child.

          • Jill:

            Betsy, You are not related to Pioneer Woman by chance are you?

  • So how about some homework? Research NON religious homeschooling. And unschooling. Look up different reasons for homeschooling and unschooling. You’re generalizing and we all know how fun but ultimately useless generalizing is. Are their insane twunts who homeschool and do so to indoctrinate and mind fuck their kids? Of course. Are their ignorant asses like RD/PW who make insanely ignorant comments and seem hell bent on dumbing down their kids? But of course. But that doesn’t mean homeschooling or unschooling in and of itself is a base retard decision.

    If I could, I would unschool. I think main stream education is a bullshit system that you stick your child into to become a mindless cog in modernities machine and slaughters creativity, individuality and self sufficiency. I do not believe the only functional way to learn and excel at education is to sit all day long being force fed information and then tested on your ability to regurgitated said information. I personally can’t homeschool, and have my child in a wonderful school that is good enough for us for now… but if my ex died? Duuude she’d be unschooling faster than his corpse in the ground.

    S’not all bad tootsenpheffer. There ARE valid reasons to unschool or homeschool. Doesn’t negate your reasons for keeping your kids main stream… it’s about life style choices and individuals. For us, mainstream is barely relevant. For others, it’s utterly relevant.

    No bashies just because you’re sample group are mouth breathing spods who can’t even count their own toes but think their vaginas are clown cars or think burnt buttered bread is Gods manna from heaven.

    <3

    • ‘Unschooling’ is kind of how I look at the way we are teaching our son this year. And to clarify, my husband and I are not actually ‘teaching’ him per se; my son has daily interaction with his actual, real life teacher via skype and phone calls and email. In the program we’re using we are ‘learning coaches’ who are there to help him to understand the work, and we have him do worksheets, write essays, etc. Tests in each subject are done online, so his answers, right or wrong, are sent straight to his teacher. He does weekly work online for the Kansas assessments in math and reading, too. We even have art class that he ‘attends’ via a skype-type program.

      My son is in 5th grade this year, and to be honest, I wish we had known about this program sooner. One of the other issues I had with the public school he attended was as you stated, the regurgitation of facts. It seemed like the teachers had to focus so much on preparing their students for math and reading assessments that little time was spent on other equally important (in my opinion anyway) subjects like science, history and social studies. Our ‘un-schooling’ this year has allowed my son to not only prepare for the dreaded assessments, but to also do science experiments, have more time for physical activity (PE every day! And if it’s cold or rainy out, we do Wii Fit), and more time for him to read or to pursue whatever else he’s interested in, currently robotics.

      I honestly think the religious freaks and the hollywood freaks have given home-schooling a bad reputation. It’s not something to enter in to lightly, and you all have to be on board as a family. But when you’ve got the right program, and a good support system like we’re lucky to have, then it’s fun and very rewarding. It’s not for everyone, for sure.

  • Keith:

    The idea that the world is overpopulated and in need of reducing the number of consumers who are damaging the earth and using up the resources has been promoted for a long time. But this is not a biblical world view, because if you’ve ever flown in an airplane and looked down, you can see that there are vast amounts of land area and only small clusters where cities are located.”

    – These people are so ignorant and stupid. And proudly so.

    • Bridget:

      The quote doesn’t even make sense. The rational behind it is just idiotic. I can’t believe that anyone who said that is actually responsible for educating children. Walk the streets of any third world country and it is easy to see the the world is overpopulated, but that is just a another lie told to us by the liberal elite.

  • annmarie:

    Your choreganizer post was one of my favorite of all time. Also, Ree has some good stuff up lately that is ripe for Pie Near Woman. Her womb is craving another baby. I think you do have a slanted view of homeschooling, but I’ll let it go because you are too funny in your presentation. And I always enjoy funny over just about everything else. Keep up the funny!

  • Martha in Kansas:

    Remember my cousin who decided to homeschool when the public school diagnosed her oldest two with poor social skills and various other things that made her angry but she didn’t want to tell anyone about? The one who made this decision with her best friend, and the best friend was going to teach the hard stuff so my cousin could teach art and music? Well. First there was her post on Facebook asking if anyone could suggest an expert in dyslexia because she was unable to figure out how to help the oldest. Her friends boldly suggested she contact the public schools and the rest of us snickered quietly. Then she announced she was putting them back in public school in January. She made this announcement on Facebook too, and her husband commented that she might have told him first and in person. Now it seems they started school this week. And so far, they’re loving being with other kids and are able to do the work without the hysterics of their last experience.

    I’m SO relieved. Those kids need the time away from the crazy parents to grow and see how other people function.

  • Anoria:

    Yeah, I’ll throw in my lot with the commenters who have pointed out that you’ve avoided mentioning the homeschoolers who are teaching their kids well and for good reasons, because they’re harder to make fun of. My parents’ decision to homeschool my brothers for a few years wasn’t because they wanted to make copies of themselves, or because of religion, but because they were dealing with two extremely intelligent kids who didn’t fit into the public school mold. When the family could afford to send them to a private school that challenged (not to mention trusted – nobody there could tell you what a hall pass was) them, they did, and all three of us graduated from the same public high school after varying amounts of time there.
    Me, I went the whole twelve years in public school. I sometimes wonder if that’s why I ended up being more social and a little less brainy than my siblings.

    And public schools really are designed for the industrial age, according to one of the articles I read in an education-and-diversity class. It’s not that kids are learning to lay railroad ties, but instead that students are taught that there’s one right answer and one way to get there, that information isn’t important if it’s not on the test, and that being too different from your peers is a terrible thing. (And then recent developments also have everyone convinced that whatever any child does is wonderful and everybody’s a winner.) This is a great way to raise classrooms full of automatons who fit into the assembly line, but these days the most successful people are the ones who didn’t really fit in during school. This suggests that the current system is not addressing the needs of the times.

    • Spinny:

      students are taught that there’s one right answer and one way to get there, that information isn’t important if it’s not on the test,

      I went through 12 years of public school and had ONE teacher who believed there was only one right way to interpret a poem or book. She was the exception, not the rule.

      I also had amazing teachers like my Junior year Honors English teacher who did his level best to make us think for ourselves and forced us to learn to think outside the box. He didn’t care how we interpreted a book’s theme as long as we could write a coherent essay explaining our reasoning using the material we’d read.

      Likewise, my son is in 5th grade at public school and I see no signs of him becoming an automaton. His teachers encourage his interests and help him expand them.

      BTW, sometimes there IS only one right answer. 2+2=4 it does not equal 5 or 6 just because a kid enjoys those numbers better.

      • Spinny:

        dammit, I didn’t close my tag.

        I fail

        /

      • Nancy:

        Thumbs up !!

      • Bridget:

        I agree with you Spinny. I am not sure if I got lucky or not, but I had some fantastic teachers during my public school education especially my history and english teachers. They wanted us to ask questions and to think for ourselves. I still remember the two teachers that made me aspired to being a well educated and intelligent person and that intelligence was an admirable trait to have. Very few of my teachers accepted the standard, automatic response and they encouraged us to think beyond what was being taught.

        Recently I went back to school and have found that the homeschooled kids are the ones that are afraid to think for themselves, to question the teacher. They tend to just want to spit back the facts and often seem intimated when a teacher challenges them to think beyond the subject material being taught. I have also seen public school kids responding in much the same way. I think that the overall our current society does not encourage questioning in anyway. Being critical of anything is often seen as a negative or as being too judgmental.

        I feel like this whole unschooling movement is a response to perception that our society is demanding of conformity and that people are expected to automaton. I do think that this is happening, but is it as extreme as the unschooling movement think that it is? No. I don’t think so. Just as every homeschooler doesn’t fit a specific type neither does every public school.

        I also think that the homeschooling movement is a response to this idea that education is now seen as an evil. I really think that greed and corporations are encouraging this belief because an educated middle class is a dangerous thing. If people are educated then it is not as easy to get them to work for you and make your business money.

        And much of the education standards that have been placed on our public school system can be traced back to corporate interest. When Bush senior was in office he had a think tank investigate why American children were falling behind in math. This think tank found that it was because they weren’t using calculators and were using the wrong calculators. So calculators were introduced into math class and students could no longer allowed to use Caiso calculators when taking the SATs. Teaching kids to do math with a calculator is great way to turn them into automatons. Come to find out that the think tank has interest in texas instruments and this was their way to sell more calculators.

        I truly think that public school teachers do not support many of the policies put in place and are interested in encouraging students to think, question, and want to open student’s minds.

      • Anoria:

        I also went through 12 years of public school, and I had teachers on both ends of this spectrum. There were a handful of wonderful ones who encouraged us to think for ourselves, rewarding creativity and ingenuity so long as they were coupled with a reasonable amount of industry, and I remember them as highlights of a generally enjoyable school career.

        But at the same schools, nobody seemed to mind the math teacher who “taught” with one hand holding an overhead pen and the other hand holding the teachers’ manual, or the history teacher who gave lectures four or five words at a time so we could copy them verbatim, and didn’t give credit for test answers that were even the slightest paraphrase, or the fourth grade teacher who didn’t allow me to read when I finished my work five or ten minutes before the rest of the class, or the fifth grade teacher who usually started her math lessons with “oh well, it’s time to do math now, sorry guys, I know math is hard and boring I wish I didn’t have to teach it to you.” None of these problems is unique to public schooling (the lattermost, especially, is exemplified in some of the above quotes from P-dub), of course, but neither method is a shining bastion of superior education.

        Of course, a lot of the worry about modern automatons comes from the ever-increasing use of standardized tests, which is a can of worms I don’t care to puncture at this time.

  • Nancy:

    Okay, I’ll go ahead and whack that beehive. As a teacher of sixteen years, the students who have struggled the most (in my limited experience) are the ones who have been home schooled. I teach at the high school level and when these kids are dropped in our laps they have a hard time understanding that it’s not all about THEM. They have trouble with deadlines, group work (with any group that wasn’t handpicked for them) , and have a hard time grasping that the lessons…and often life…won’t be modified in order to make it more fun for them. If I assign a two page analysis of The Great Gatsby, it’s not okay to turn in a poster or a scrapbook page instead. I honestly had a mother say to me, “But Johnny likes art better than writing…” I’ll bet he likes candy better than vegetables, too – but he doesn’t get it for dinner. We do plenty of fun and engaging projects, from puppet shows to fashion shows, but it’s also very important for these kids to learn to write for college, complete a task as assigned, and learn to function productively with people who are not exactly like them. I was often tempted to display a book on the solar system so they could see that they are not actually the center of the universe. I understand that my exposure to home schooled kids may not be the norm. I don’t get to see the success stories of the home schooled student who goes on to Harvard or MIT. That happens, right? My job is to embrace every child who walks in my door, introduce literature, and hopefully strike a balance between creative thinking and responsible behavior (meeting deadlines, following directions,etc). The home schooled kids I’ve encountered had a hard time grasping the fact that they didn’t get an unlimited number of “do overs” on an assignment. How many “do overs” does your boss give you? Don’t get me wrong, most of these kids have been a pleasure to know, real sweethearts. But they were in no way prepared for real life. I’m not even talking about socializing with a more diverse group, I’m talking about basic concepts of responsibility and consequences. One student (whose mother fought me tooth and nail on every assignment and grade and eventually pulled her out of school) enrolled in a local community college. When she turned in her first paper the professor refused to grade it, instead he wrote in red ink across the title page, “Were you drunk when you wrote this??” I love my job. I love the kids. I love cracking open a teen brain and pouring in knowledge. I love seeing a light bulb go on over their heads when they grasp a concept or think outside their comfortable box. As much as home schooling is touted as a way to let students be more creative, I haven’t seen that. More creative doesn’t equal no rules. More creative doesn’t mean skipping the parts you don’t like. Just as there are superior and inferior classroom teachers, there must be some great home schooling parents out there. Sadly, in my experience I have only encountered the folks who took the lazy route. We all want to run through the mine fields of life for our kids and spare them as much pain as we can. Unfortunately, we can’t. Just like we have to subject them to immunization shots to keep them safe from harmful diseases, sometimes we have to do other unpleasant things that will be best for them in the long run. It’s hard to watch them flounder and find their feet. Loving support and encouragement, not blind denial and ignorance, creates a well-rounded, responsible, productive person. I raised two sons, both graduates of wonderful public schools. The oldest is in his second year of med school, the youngest is in his senior year of college. Neither has missed a semester on the Dean’s List. They are kind, generous, and empathetic people. They are also motivated, determined, and successful. They understand that there are consequences for every action and that society has rules which apply to everyone…even if you don’t like them. Both of my sons are actively involved in charitable works, and are curious about the world and the people in it, especially people who aren’t cookie cutter versions of themselves. They’ve traveled extensively on their own dimes and have also done semesters abroad on scholarship. They understand that hard work pays off. That seems to be the core that’s missing from the home schooled students that I’ve encountered – a strong work ethic. If it’s not fun, they don’t want to do it. Before I’m blasted and told to burn in Hell – allow me to reiterate that I acknowledge my exposure to home schooled kids has been limited to the ones who showed up in my classroom. That said, I’d love to see more stringent standards for home schooling. Parents should have to test and qualify in various subjects and students should take some form of standardized tests given by a neutral party. If you want to keep your kids home and convince them that dinosaurs never existed (I had that student,too!) or that any woman who cuts her hair and adorns herself with cosmetics is a sinner (yep, that was me), I can’t stop you. But for the sake of the society in which they’ll eventually have to function…please make sure they can read and write.

    • Nancy, this was another concern that my husband and I had when we first thought about home-schooling. I can’t speak for all home schoolers, but for our family, it’s been vitally important that my son know that it’s not all about him. I don’t want to be one of those obnoxious ‘helicopter parents’ that we hear about. Since we work with the premise that at some point our son might want to return to a traditional classroom setting in either public or private, we make sure that he knows that we still expect him to abide by procedures and practices that you would find in school. In other words, if he came to me with a collage as a book report, once I got through laughing, he’d have to write it up.

      I have seen the type of home-school families you’ve encountered at some of our group activities. One mom wanted to know if the school district could send someone to her house to home-school her son because she had to work. Another mom and her daughters were removed from the program when it was discovered that neither of her children could read past the 3rd gade level; one was in 6th grade, the other in 4th. She had been home schooling them on her own, and since she didn’t like reading herself, she saw no reason to teach her kids how to read. I don’t think parents should home-school on their own or make up their own cirriculum, but there’s plenty out there that do it.

      • Nancy:

        Kelley, if only we lived in a world filled with parents like you! I actually grew up in the Alaskan boonies (and noooo, I’m not a fan of Sarah Palin) where home schooling was the norm for many. Lots of kids took classes over ham radios from a teacher in Fairbanks . I think they called it “distance learning” back then. My parents moved us closer to town so that we would be in school – and thank goodness for that as my mom would have been a total slacker.

        Sadly, in my classroom if I assign a book report and receive a collage, it has to be a zero – not a do over. It’s a hard lesson for some to learn and I really hate being the one to rain on their parade.

    • Meanie:

      Most of these stereotypical homeschool archetypes are apt. APT, I say! It is a struggle to find homeschoolers who are actually more concerned with educating their children than protecting them from some weird evil lurking in public school (aka the world). We do exist, we rational homeschoolers, though we are few and far between.

      I like to laugh and point my fingers at nutjobs too, regardless of the particular brand of nuttiness: right-wing conservative nutjobs, religious nutjobs, quiverfull nutjobs, rabid atheist nutjobs, cubs fanatic nutjobs, Ed Begley Jr, and yes, the homeschoolers who are also nutjobs are fun to laugh at, too.

      Okay, I don’t really point and laugh at Ed Begley Jr.

  • Nancy:

    Anoria….your brothers were too smart for public school? Wow. My sons were tested and labeled “gifted” and our school system had a great deal to offer them. In fact, they were both able to earn enough college credits through AP courses that they entered college as sophomores. That was the public school “mold” around here.

  • Homeschool is a tough issue. While it is a ideal choice for some families ( and I know a few), it is also a closed off horrible system for others.
    While some parents have enough intelligence to pass on to their children, others do not.
    In the end it is a decision each family needs to make for themselves.
    I personally made the decision to send my daughter to public schools and I played a very active role in her education. She is now in the second largest university in the state and on the Dean’s list. I think that worked best for us!

  • Sharon:

    I remember the first time I saw that Duggar picture with the that line and just about shot my drink out of my nose. So damn funny and true at the same time. I hope someday to see a Duggar free.

    • Nancy:

      “I hope someday to see a Duggar free.” Aaaahahahahaha! Too funny!

      I knew girls like the Duggars when I was in high school. They were twins and their dad ran the local christian radio station. It was called KJNP for King Jesus North Pole. Told you I was from the Alaskan bush, I couldn’t make this stuff up. Anyway, even when it was fifty degrees below zero those poor girls had to wear skirts and pull their hair up in those polygamy pompadours. After high school I ran into one of them and found out that they’d both become strippers at a club in Anchorage called “The Great Alaskan Bush Company”.

      • Sharon:

        I don’t think I want them to be that “free”. LOL

        • Lacey:

          Hilarious!

      • Hilarious. I read it out to John who also phsl.
        More seriously, I have known many from such abusive backgrounds go too far the other way. Not surprising as their minds have been corrupted from a very young age and the ability to think critically is destroyed.(Tho with good loving care can be retrieved). Plus the need to be accepted and loved unconditionally is very strong and they don’t get that in these families.

  • Joel Wheeler:

    “…flesh cleaving blows…” for the win.

  • Nancy:

    I’m going to say what I’ve been thinking since first reading this post. Jim Bob Duggar creeps me out. Makes my skin crawl. You know he’s got to be just awful in the sack and that he’s after that poor tiny-voiced woman all. the time.

    • Any guy that makes it his job to track his wife’s cycle so that he knows when to pounce on her is creepy. He’s turned his wife in to a brood-mare.

    • TXAggies:

      I believe he was a State Representative previously and that thought is REALLY scary …

      I just cannot imagine how anyone can go through pregnancy THAT many times !!
      Just hope this preemie baby has been a wake up call for them to shut down the baby factory !!

  • Ok, I was thinking about what Lisa Welchel (Blair) said about her daughter, Haven. “My oldest daughter, Haven, is a gifted student. Because we don’t have to place any limits on her progress, she is able to set her goal of graduating by the age of 14. From there, she has already plotted her course through Patrick Henry College and onto a career in politics, leading to her election as the first female president of the United States.”

    This bugs me to no end for some reason. Is it possible to instill TOO MUCH confidence in your child? I don’t want to pick on precious Haven here, but they’re acting like it’s a foregone conclusion that she’s going to be the first female POTUS. I’m all for my child having goals and working towards them, but what if you push your child towards a lofty goal like this and they never acheive it? What does that do to them? Wouldn’t it be better to encourage your child to acheive reasonable goals than encourage Walter Mitty-ish daydreams?

    I’ve noticed this attitude in quite a few home-school families. Little Haven or Seven is the absolute most intelligent creature that has ever been bestowed on planet Earth and we should all marvel at their huge giant brains. Huge, giant brains that can only make book report collages. And we should applaud them for it and pat their dear, special heads and tell them how sparkly and spectacular they are. To me, that’s a load of crap.

    • Nancy:

      Yes ma’am! We all love our kids and think they are the cutest, brightest, best creatures ever invented….however, the rest of the world may not agree. What happens when little Haywire doesn’t get into the college of her choice and it’s all she’s thought about since she was five? Does she have coping skills or a plan B? Isn’t it just “God’s will” anyway?

      Besides, wasn’t Ms. Welchel the one a few years back that advocated making your kid swallow hot sauce as punishment? Yeahhhhh, her kid is going to have issues.

  • Vee:

    My public schooled daughter has yet to come home covered in blood! Something must be wrong with her school!! Love you posts Rechelle!!!

  • Emily:

    Come on, now, you can’t claim that the older Duggar kids haven’t graduated high school. Of course they have, because JB and Michelle said so! I believe they recently had a graduation celebration for their fifth child Jinger (yes, that’s like Ginger with a “J”), who is 17 IIRC.

    I agree that they’ve done their kids a grave disservice in terms of education. Most of them are actually quite intelligent, but will probably never live up to their full potential. I remember oldest son Josh claiming that he wanted to be a lawyer; next year he will be a 23-year-old father of two who sells “1 or 2 cars a month” from his used car lot instead.

    • Emily:

      And by fifth child, I mean sixth child, and by 17 I mean 16. Jinger and 18-year-old Jessa are now the primary teachers of the younger kids. It’s kind of scary.

      • What I find discouraging is that most of the girls who have said anything at all about future plans haven’t said anything about any kind of career. Probably hard to think about a future when you have to take care of a younger sibling all day. They’re destined to be breeders, I fear.

        • Nancy:

          Exactly, those precious girls would never entertain the thought that they might want to be an astronaut, a lawyer, a CEO, or a soldier. They can’t, because they have a uterus…uteri…uteruses? What a shame.

  • I nearly peed my pants when I saw the “Vagina” poster…I’ll come back & read the whole post when I’m not on pain meds….

  • Megan:

    I have a friend who homeschools her children for two very important reasons. 1.) When her oldest first went to school she missed him too much and 2.) He couldn’t reach the milk in the cafeteria line and often had to go without milk at lunch and that made her sad. So, rather than teaching her son the all important lesson of fending for himself and speaking up when he needs help she yanked him from the heartless school that wasn’t meeting her son’s milk needs.

    I have another friend who homeschools so they can have more family time together. She didn’t want the silly school board deciding her family vacations. I guess that’s why are that at Disney World every week. Literally they live down the street and they go there on at least a monthly basis. Is the kid majoring in roller coasters?

    And finally there are the parents who run their own business and have to travel around the state conducting trainings and they couldn’t make school work around their work schedules. So, they pulled both kids from school and have them now doing “homeschooling” in the car on their iPhones. Their daughter should be in 3rd grade, but the great thing about homeschooling in the car on your iPhone is that you can go at your own pace so this intelligent little lady is only 8 and is already entering the 6th grade! And, she is writing her very own book! But, don’t be silly, of course there are no standardized tests or any nonsense like that for her to pass before she can actually be considered a 6th grader, as long as she does the assignments on the iPhone she can be in whatever grade she likes! Plus, she used lots of big vocabulary words when I last ran into them. She didn’t use a single one of them correctly, but it’s just important that she FELT like she used them correctly and at her own pace. Maybe it’s just me but I think if I were her I would really, really resent my parents for pulling me out of school to homeschool myself on a cell phone because they were too busy focusing on themselves and their careers. All the things this child is going to miss out on and all of the ways she is obviously not going to adequately prepared for the world.

    To me, many homeschools are selfish who really only have their needs in mind and not those of their child. You can’t keep the world out forever and it is going to be a HUGE slap in the face to those kids when they finally do meet the real world.

    • this really hit home. I never did because I was taught it was not manly. Thus I struggled a lot in life especially when I became physically handicapped. The light came in a supermarket when a member of staff asked if I wanted a staff member to go around with me! I thought she was taking the piss. Then it dawned on me that I only had to ask. Now I can go to food shop on my own because all I have to do when I can’t reach is ASK! Asking for help wasn’t in my view of the world! Amazing. We really do create our world by how we think, or rather by what we believe. I seem to spend most of my time unlearning the crap I was taught! Know Thyself-truly it is quite embarrassing at times to discover what ridiculousness one believes!

  • AnnB:

    Sigh. How can any woman/ mother of a certain age not have the wisdom to know that she should ‘never say never’ about what she would do if circumstances changed for her kids? At this point in my life I assume that most woman are doing the best they can with their children based on love; it usually does NOT look like my choices. There are fab mom and kids who I know and love at my boys Catholic school, at the local public school and including my smart homeschooling friend. There are also nitwits at all of the above places. Keep Calm & Carry On. How about a little primer on education in general? Confirms MY thoughts that the entire system is NOT built for the kids best interest.

    http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/10/an-education-system-from-years-gone-by.html

    • Lee (sometimes known as Another Lee):

      What a great video! I get so tired of the “socialization” question. People confuse getting socialized with developing social skills. The former is simply conforming to the norms of your peers, while the latter is learning to communicate with people from all walks of life. My son is almost 11, and I can assure you that 90% of what his peers are doing right now, we would like to skip altogether! (But of course won’t)

      He spends his days with all the “different” kids that homeschool and his afternoons with neighbors in public and private schools. He goes to a public school scout troop so he can regularly be teased for (pick one) being a vegetarian, an atheist, a homeschooler, having long hair, or knowing all the answers first.

      See? Plenty of “socialization”!

      I’d like to see you (Rechelle) do a book review of John Taylor Gatto’s “Weapons of Mass Instruction: A School Teacher’s Journey Through the Dark World of Compulsory Schooling” or anything by John Holt. These guys are the Dawkins/Hitchens of the homeschool community, and it’s time to give them a turn under your spotlight!

      • Nancy:

        Wow – so generalizing about home schooled kids is a no-no, but public school kids are fair game? Newsflash….there are a bazillion vegetarian, long-haired, atheist, smart kids in public schools. None of those things are considered rare or unusual. Sounds like maybe it’s the scouts and not the school that you may want to investigate.

        • Lee (sometimes known as Another Lee):

          Fooey – it’s so difficult to get from head to internet. Wasn’t my intention to generalize school kids – my son has been picked on pretty equally from all sectors as well as treated well by both groups. I have no beef (veggie humor) with public school kids, my daughter is one! I was just trying to show that one can be “socialized” in all its less desirable forms even as a homeschooler. If you as the parent are making the effort to get them out there. And kids will pick on each other for just about anything. We are not a sports-watching family and the boy down the street is always going “You don’t know who blah blah blah is? What is wrong with you?”

          I figure the stuff with scouts is his dose of the “real world” people seem so concerned that homeschoolers miss.

          • amy:

            I wouldn’t exactly call the scouts “real world people.” They’re one of the only organizations I know of these days that openly (and proudly) exclude people for not being theists or heterosexual. Even the Girls Scouts know better than that…

          • Rechelle:

            This particular post focused on homeschooling nutjobs of whom there seem to be a’plenty. It’s just too easy to find them and to mercilessly quote them word for word. Sometimes I think the secular homeschoolers who still read this blog think that it is I who is crazy when it comes to my outlook on homeschooling. As if my view of religious homeschooling was somehow way off base. I hope that this post showed that it is legitimate, because almost all of the sentiments expressed in the quotes in this article have been stated to me in person by homeschoolers in my area.

  • Elaine:

    You know, there are idiots in all types of schooling–public, private, and religious. I think you have gone a bit overboard in your generalizations. Most parents just want the best for their kids. Homeschooling does NOT always equal isolating your kids from the world, tho some prefer that. I think most of us are mature enough to realize that there are pros and cons, and to find the best path for our child to develop a love of learning. It’s a bit too easy, tho, to just make fun of certain groups.

  • Jennine:

    I have a question. Feminism extols that it is a woman’s right to do what she pleases with her body, correct?

    Why, then, are feminists so outraged by a woman who chooses to use her vagina as a clown car? It seems to stir up alot of contempt and I find that to be curious.

    • amy:

      How many thoroughly educated women that haven’t been brainwashed by their patriarchal church do you know who’ve freely chosen this lifestyle? I can’t name even one.

    • Rechelle:

      I don’t see anyone attempting to pass a law to prohibit Michelle Duggar from having twenty more babies should she desire. I think the ‘contempt’ stems more from the idea that Michelle is doing this to please some deity and to satisfy the requirements of an extremist sect and the victims are her children who are taught that this is how God wants them to live and who do get neither the attention or the proper education that every child deserves.

    • km:

      Jennine, I am a feminist and I truly hope that this is Michelle’s choice. I wish that choice seemed to be available to her daughter;s too.
      From a TV perspective, this is a win-win situation. If any of the kids rebel it’s an automatic spinoff . Exploring a new reality with the Rebel Duggar.

  • TXAggies:

    Home schooling may be the right thing for some families. I just know that despite being a college graduate, I have SERIOUS doubts that I could have EVER competently homeschooled my own children. Both of whom went through public schools for 12 yrs and on to college, 1 graduated with honors and 1 still going – both doing very well in the real world today.
    Many homeschooling parents are doing it well, but many probably aren’t …
    Re. the Duggars and their baby factory … I just hope after the last extreme preemie that they knock it off … Jim Bob needs to have his you know what knocked off at least …
    Scary thing is, if I recall correctly – Jim Bob Duggar was actually a State Representative in Arkansas. Now THAT’S a mighty scary thought isn’t it … girls who can be midwives or nurses or have babies ad infinitum …
    Very sad for the oldest son who wanted to be a lawyer … geez, he’s got 1 kid and another comin’ and a bright future in used car sales to look forward to now … me oh my …

  • amy:

    My husband is friends with a man who married a Mexican woman when he was stationed in Mexico in the Army. They moved to the U.S. and she proceeded to try to learn English. She has never learned to drive.

    They ended up having 8 children. They homeschool all of them. He has a full-time job and she does the homeschooling. Her English is passable after many years in the U.S. but she has no more than a high-school education (I’m not sure she went that far in her home country) and she can’t drive.

    She is extremely timid and can’t seem to carry on an extended conversation herself. You can’t tell me those kids are going to be better off for their cooped up, sheltered and limited educational experience. It’s a tragedy that people like this can get away with homeschooling–pretty suggestive of what less-than-stringent requirements there are to be met for homeschoolers…

  • Lee (sometimes known as Another Lee):

    @Amy: Of course scouts are the “real world.” It’s an organization of imperfect people that differ on a couple of core values from our family. We spent a lot of time as a family discussing whether our son would go into scouts when a) we don’t believe in god and b) we don’t agree with the stance on homosexuality. We looked at other organizations offering similar experiences such as Earth Scouts and Roots and Shoots. We looked at a mostly secular homeschooling scout troop. And guess what? These options are mostly filled with people Just Like Us.

    My husband loved scouting when he was young and wanted to share that with his son. Ultimately we chose to participate while having ongoing discussions about tolerance. Because the majority of the “real world” is made up of people that don’t think the way our son does, and better to start developing those, wait for it, social skills to get along with others who differ from him.

    I’m going to defer to the wise ladies above who said most of us just want what is best for our kids. In my family, it means one at home and one in public school.

    • amy:

      I guess that’s fine if you think that enthusiastically supporting an openly bigoted organization is the best way to teach your child tolerance. I have three boys. We tried scouts for a year or two. In the end, I just couldn’t bring myself to support such a vehemently intolerant group with my money or my membership.

      • km:

        I feel like that with the Catholic Church :)

      • Lee (sometimes known as Another Lee):

        Wow, guess I better call my husband and tell him to turn in his uniform and come on home from Afghanistan according to you. He doesn’t agree with all of the military’s positions either. Not to mention you sound kinda vehemently intolerant yourself right now.

        • amy:

          With brilliant comparisons like that (boy scouts = defending our country), I’m not sure you should be telling anyone they sound ignorant…

          • amy:

            Then again, I guess if I can’t read “intolerant” maybe that IS a bit ignorant of me :)

            I do get rather intolerant of institutions that claim to be morally superior and practice that superiority with the use of bigotry.

            Not saying you have no right to send your kid to boy scouts. I’m just not buying that it’s the best place to teach kids diversity. I’m also too bothered by their (so sacred) theistic and homophobic views to support them in any way. Obviously you feel differently.

      • Bridget:

        I totally agree with you Amy. When the Boy Scouts ask me to buy popcorn from them, I just can’t do it because of the organizations stance on homosexuality. It is awful. They have every right to their opinion, but I just can’t support them in anyway.

        • I do not understand how refusing to endorse bigotry is intolerance? Oh, well, actually it is BUT isn’t it good to be intolerant of harmful attitudes? It is rather like all these Xians who accuse me of victimizing them or being intolerant of them when I point out the evil and misery and suffering some of their beliefs cause. They actually accuse the people THEY are persecuting of persecuting them! It really does my head in to use a slang term that really fits the bill!

          • Colin! You’re back! I’ve missed you!

  • km:

    Nurse?

  • Rechelle, PLEASE don’t forget us sane secular homeschoolers who home school for reasons that have nothing to do with alienating our children! (In my case, ’tis a matter of pesky and long immigration processes that don’t allow me to send the kiddo to school). We’re still alive and kicking, and very much normal! ;P

  • Bridget:

    Rechelle: Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the No Longer Quivering website. I have picked up a few of the books that are recommended on the site and wow what an eye opening experience reading all those stories. I will never be able to look the the Duggars in the same light.

  • I am so disgusted by all of this – the attitudes of people about education – whether homeschool or the big bad scary institution – are so freaking ignorant. And as a teacher, you’re subject to all of these moronic opinions. Reason number 498 I quit. It’s a battle I just can’t bear to fight.

  • Rechelle-I mentioned Xian Fundy homeschooling on my blog. Both times I did I got loads of non Xian fundy homeschoolers complaining about my lumping all homeschoolers together. Strangely,I got none from those I WAS criticising. Why don’t people read? Why do people seem to seek out offence? Surely, that just finds it’s home ewithout us having to hunt it down?!

  • I know this is an old post but I do need to say something about this because I have a major ‘i have a voice’ complex. Just so you know I didn’t make it through your whole post – got too angry. Not at you but at those silly people who home school for the only reason that they do not think education is important or that smart people are something to avoid, not create. They are the reason why I get peculiar looks from people when I tell them I home school. They almost always look like they want to run away from me. Like as if I am going to list all the reasons why they and their children are going to hell and mine are not or exorcise their demons. Sigh* I home school my children because I have seen a very drastic fall from the education system in only 6 years and I honestly want my children to know how to spell and have better grammar than their momma and to……(goes on and on) Well there is one reason why I home school out of many. None of which has anything to do with religion.

    • Rechelle:

      Fully appreciate parents who homeschool their kids due to failing school systems. Also appreciate parents who work hard to make their local school systems better for all the kids in their community.

      • I agree with the parents working to make the schools better. I sure did, for many years. I was a huge volunteer at the elementary school and tried to be at the high school but they get the students to run things (which is very good). I can honestly say that there were times of the year that I basically lived at the school. There so often that there were many other parents who thought I was staff. But, without going into too many details, I was seeing things that was happening that needed to be fixed. I talked to the new principle there and came up with a few plans. I was part of the PAC (=PTA) exec and let them all know – they all were in agreed, until in came to actually implementing them. Then I got stonewalled. The parents realized that there personal kids were benefiting from those things (aka getting away with murder). So well…like the song goes “know when to hold them, know when fold them, know when to walk away, know when to run”…yep. So that is how I started to home school. The reasons why I continued this year are many.

  • I wanted to mention, for some reason I am not sure, but that school that year I left lost 8 families (not students) so that could be 16 students do to their antics. This past September many more did not return. Because of that, the school board here put that school on the cut list. What that means is that they were going to close that school down due to too few students. (eventually the school board decided not to close any school down). But the schools that us and the other parents went to got saved because the amount of students went up. I guess something to think about.