The Texas BOE Votes to Homeschool Entire State

March 19th, 2010

The Texas State School Board continues to be a potent force for the far right which dominates so many public policy decisions in American.  As a huge state with a large population, they wield ultimate control over the content of public school textbooks (not just for their own students, but for students in many states) because of their immense purchasing power.  Most of the members of the Texas BOE are conservative Christian Republicans and they have decided to give American History a re-write so that it conforms to their personal religious beliefs.

And the first thing to go?

Why, the unholy value of “separation of church and state” of course!

If the Texas BOE succeeds in their march around the public school curriculum, blowing their horns loudly enough to get god’s attention – the wall of separation between church and state is destined to come a tumbling down

And Thomas Jefferson will be buried underneath it.

These quotes are from a NY times article on the subject…

“I reject the notion by the left of a constitutional separation of church and state,” said David Bradley, a conservative from Beaumont who works in real estate. “I have $1,000 for the charity of your choice if you can find it in the Constitution.”

Cynthia Dunbar, a lawyer from Richmond who is a strict constitutionalist and thinks the nation was founded on Christian beliefs, managed to cut Thomas Jefferson from a list of figures whose writings inspired revolutions in the late 18th century and 19th century, replacing him with St. Thomas Aquinas, John Calvin and William Blackstone. (Jefferson is not well liked among conservatives on the board because he coined the term “separation between church and state.”)”

The Enlightenment was not the only philosophy on which these revolutions were based,” Ms. Dunbar said.


So it’s out with Jefferson and down with the ‘wall of separation between church and state’ that our country has held as a sacred value and a vital way to live at peace with our fellow countrymen who may worship a different version of the deity than the one the Texas BOE prefers.  (You know the one… the Anglo Saxon, blonde, blue eyed, Jesus with the soft southern accent.)

What does the Texas BOE really hope to accomplish by allowing religion to have more influence in public education?

An increase in pogroms, lynchings and public burnings for heresy?

Let’s compare a few quotes of Thomas Jefferson – the horrifying infidel who first coined the phrase ‘separation of church and state’ – with the Texas BOE’s suggested replacement heroes (Aquinas, Calvin and Blackstone)


From Thomas Jefferson…

“Educate and inform the whole mass of the people… They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty.”

“Enlighten the people generally, and tyranny and oppressions of body and mind will vanish like evil spirits at the dawn of day.”

“He who knows best knows how little he knows.”

“He who knows nothing is closer to the truth than he whose mind is filled with falsehoods and errors.”

“Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.”

“I abhor war and view it as the greatest scourge of mankind.”

“I am mortified to be told that, in the United States of America, the sale of a book can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry too.”

“I believe that every human mind feels pleasure in doing good to another.”

“I cannot live without books.”

“I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature.”

“I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have.”


Now let’s move onto the hero of the Texas BOE – Thomas Aquinas…

“Since the Jews are the slaves of the Church, she can dispose of their possessions”

“If forgers and malefactors are put to death by the secular power, there is much more reason for excommunicating and even putting to death one convicted of heresy”

“As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.”

“Clearly the person who accepts the Church as an infallible guide will believe whatever the Church teaches.”

And how about a hefty dose of that great proponent of human liberty  – John Calvin…

“Yet consider now, whether women are not quite past sense and reason, when they want to rule over men.”

“Knowledge of the sciences is so much smoke apart from the heavenly science of Christ.”

“There is no worse screen to block out the Spirit than confidence in our own intelligence.”

“Build a man a fire and he will be warm for a day; set him on fire and he will be warm for the rest of his life.”

John Calvin was responsible for setting many men and women on fire – literally -  for acts of heresy. Including the Michael Servetus an early scientist who discovered the workings of circulatory system in the human body.


And finally a few quotes from that inspired forward thinker, William Blackstone…

“The husband and wife are one, and that one is the husband.”
“That the king can do no wrong is a necessary and fundamental principle of the English constitution.”

“Man…must necessarily be subject to the laws of his Creator, for he is entirely a dependent being…And, consequently, as man depends absolutely upon his Maker for everything, it is necessary that he should in all points conform to his Maker’s will.”

“No enactment of man can be considered law unless it conforms to the law of God.”


HOLY (and I do mean Holy) SHIT!

Is it really any wonder that American education has fallen so far behind the rest of the first world?

Texas seems intent on sending our country straight back to the dark ages!


I anticipate someone bringing up Jefferson’s views on slavery and women’s rights in the comments.  Jefferson did own slaves and it is possible that he produced six children with one of them (Sally Hemings).  As a young man he was an abolitionist and may have freed his own slaves if he had owned them free and clear – but like the rest of his ‘property’ – Jefferson was mortgaged to the hilt and deeply in debt making it impossible for him to free his slaves.  He did educate his slaves and treat them well and devoted much of his time and writings to finding a solution to the American problem of slavery.

Jefferson was not a proponent for women’s rights.  On the other hand, he also did not blame women for the ‘fall of mankind’ or ‘original sin’ nor did he ever burn a single woman at the stake for ‘witchcraft’.  In this regard, Jefferson was light years ahead of both Aquinas and Calvin.


  • M.R.:

    This is pretty scary stuff. I often talk with young women who say they are not feminists. Yet they take it for granted that they can get a college education and even own their own businesses, much less vote. When I read of the atrocities against women in some other countries, I remember how easily the U.S. could slide back into that if some fundamentalists had their way.

  • I’ve been seeing a lot about this on TV. I think school systems across the country will have to read these books first before they purchase them to find out exactly what’s in there. Frankly, I don’t think one school board should decide this.

  • Joel Wheeler:

    Here’s my hope.

    There are a lot of liberal teachers in this country. Teachers that care about history, and that can ‘take the initiative.’ Just because Jefferson has been removed from textbook standards doesn’t mean he won’t get mentioned, even in textbooks. As for Calvin et al.,.. well, they ARE historical figures, and we can hope that by highlighting them we may be able to shine a little light on their reprehensible and regressive views.

    What I’m encouraged by is the massive publicity and the backlash. But it is disconcerting to realize that a tiny faction of ideologues who are not educators can frame education policy for the nation.

  • km:

    my reactions;
    I am reminded of the history lessons conducted by the tutor in “the boy with the striped pajamas”. Editing and revising history is a tried and true tool of right wing fascists.
    I find it ironic that Jefferson was probably more Repbulican than any at the time and indeed articulated most of basic State’s rights tenets of the current Repbulican party but his deism knocks him out of the books. He was the Ronald Reagan of his day, but without the alzeimers.
    Spare us all from Thomas Aquinas please. Here’s his enlightened view on women “As regards the individual nature, woman is defective and misbegotten, for the active power of the male seed tends to the production of a perfect likeness in the masculine sex; while the production of a woman comes from defect in the active power.” Nice………………..

    Wouldn’t it be so hilarious if the longterm consequence of this allowed schools to become almsot Madras-like. Does the right think religion only means BeeGee type Jesuses.

    Can you see more freethinking homeschoolers, maybe the fundamentailsts will go back to the public schools. after all. Maybe I’ll be here desperately teaching my curious children about equal rights, freedom of and from religion, equality between genders, etc.
    Oh, the places we’ll go !!!

  • KM – Yes -Texas is making the public schools safe for the christian homeschoolers and everyone else will have to start homeschooling to preserve their children’s minds.

  • km:

    M.R. I am a proud feminist. I encounter the “i am not a feminist’ college kid a lot. My response “you don’t believe in equal rights and justice for all people? How strange!”

  • km:

    Wouldn’t it be a hoot Rechelle !!!

  • km — I know some people who are freethinking homeschoolers! I could totally see the whole school system shifting, as you describe. It scares the crap out of me, though, because that would mean some really bad things have happened to our education system. I mean, worse than what we’ve seen so far!

  • km:

    Oh I know there are already. I said more. I know several hippie-dippie merlot types around me that I adore very much. I live in a liberal but quiet state.
    Cross your fingers though, for every action there’s an equal and opposite reaction. Districts are vulnerable though given the economy. I think this is all preempting the push for federal k12 standards which Texas and shock, Alaska, oppose.

  • Ted Powell:

    For a view of how bad the textbook selection process can be even when the Board of Education (California, in this example) is trying to do the right thing, see Corruption in textbook-adoption proceedings, which includes a lengthy quote from Richard Feynman’s “Judging Books by Their Covers”. This is on the web site of The Textbook League:

    The Web site of The Textbook League is a resource for middle-school and high-school educators. It provides commentaries on some 200 items, including textbooks, curriculum manuals, videos and reference books.

    The Textbook League was established in 1989 to support the creation and acceptance of sound schoolbooks. Our chief activity is the publication of The Textbook Letter (or TTL, as it is called), which we mail to subscribers throughout the United States. The subscribers include classroom teachers, officers of local school districts, officers of state or county education agencies, and private citizens who take a serious interest in the quality of the instruction offered in the public schools.

    In a lighter vein…Some years ago, in one of Jay Leno’s episodes of interviewing people on the sidewalk:Leno: Are you a feminist?Young woman: (matter-of-factly, not breaking her stride) I’m female. (continues out of camera range)

  • That is a terrifying story, Ted. A blank book got higher ratings than the books with actual text? Wow.

    I am also female and and feminist, but I have a close male friend that proudly wears a shirt with “feminist” emblazoned across the chest. He means it, too.

  • Carol:

    the Jay Leno woman may have meant it too. If asked that by Jay Leno, I’d probably say “WHAT?” (I have hearing loss.) and oh, how funny it would be.

  • ann:

    My dad was an American history teacher (PhD in American History). All of his friends are teachers. I agree with whoever said that most teacherss are liberal and I wouldn’t worry too much about this. Texas is Texas. There is just no explaing anything that goes on there. This is the sort of thing I wouldn’t be able to show my dad though. He thinks everything south of NYC is useless and this would confirm that for him.

  • oh, and that’s not the only “sanitizing” of the Texas curriculum they’ve done.When they were revisint the social science curriculum, they have taken out a whole bunch of important historical/political persons out who happened (purely incidentally, I’m sure) not to be white: César Chávez, Thurgood Marshall, Anne Hutchinson….

    that’s what happens when you get Education Boards who aren’t actually educated in the areas they’re deciding on, and instead have an agenda.

  • wow, that’s what I get for posting before my first cup of coffee:

    “When they were revising the social science curriculum, they have taken out a whole bunch of important historical/political persons out who happened (purely incidentally, I’m sure) not to be white males: César Chávez, Thurgood Marshall, Anne Hutchinson…”

    basically, only men of European descent, and apparently some that didn’t have anything to do with America (like Calvin, or Aquinas) are worthy of being taught about. Women and non-whites and non-Christians not allowed :-p

  • Hence the reason I support any Texan who thinks Texas should secede from the Union.

  • Stupid Idea:

    As an atheist in Texas with a child who will soon be entering school, this scares the crap out of me. I have considered homeschooling because of stuff like this. I don’t think I’m built for homesxhooling though. I’ll just have to do my best to teach my child the truth when I can.

  • The teachers in Texas will get the textbooks and a teaching guide, almost like a lesson plan. They will have little choice about what to teach. I don’t know how they will get around this one, unless they offer extra credit for researching other viewpoints.

    I am appalled that I have not heard about an uprising and protest among Texas’ parents. Surely they are aware. They have a large Hispanic population, the contributions of which have literally been removed from history. Many Hispanics fought along side Davy Crockett at the Alamo. That too has been taken out of the History texts. Why aren’t they having a fit about this?

  • JJ:

    Have you read Reading Lolita in Tehran by Azar Nafisi? Excellent book about what happened with the revolution in Iran and their war with Iraq. One thing that Nafisi brings clearly to light is how easy it is for a nation to fall back – we may see other nations go backwards, but we really don’t see that possibility for the U.S. – we are too “modernized, etc.” If we stay too silent to minority can easily overtake the majority. Before the events in the 70s, Iran had been on a more modern path and the rights of women were growing. They thought that there was no way to go back – and they easily did in a short amount of time because of religious zeal – They went back to laws ( Islamic based) that her own grandmother had never had to live with.

  • Potco:

    As a texan, an atheist, and an amatuer historian, I want to say I am opposed to this, and embarrassed by it, and offended by this. As far as teachers teaching this, a lot of these teachers, especially at the lower level in texas, at least the ones i meet, are cut from the same vein as the SBOE. The old adage, that those that can’t do, teach, seems to be true of the one’s I know. Definately not true of all, but a lot are fundies.

  • Ted Powell:

    Ann, I’ve contributed my $0.02 at the link you posted.

  • I think “I’m female” is a perfectly sound answer to the question of whether any woman is a feminist. I can not fathom a woman who believes she should defer to men solely on the basis of the fact that they’re men, or is anti-abortion or at least anti-choice — the list goes on and on. I am constantly labeled as aggressive because I believe in standing up for myself, instead of being meek and agreeable and ladylike. Fuck that; my balls may be metaphysical but they’re big ol’ brass ones!

  • I read your comment Powell. Looks like you are reading the ‘source documents’. I don’t think I need to change this article as a result. From what you quoted, it appears that the NY times article is correct.

  • I’m one of those freethinking homeschoolers, and this is one of those times when I say “Whew! At least I don’t have to worry about my kid learning that crap” But I feel sorry for kids in schools all over the nation, since Texas sets the standard for school textbook publishers. If there was ever a time for teachers to take a stand, this is it. Hopefully they will, when being forced to teach this garbage, stop and tell kids the truth.

  • I’m really glad my son will be graduating from high school in two years, so I don’t have to worry about the far-flung effect of this horrendous decision.

    I wish the other school districts in the nation would just say NO to this!

  • Kay in KCMO:

    May I suggest that those of you not living in Texas and have children that need to be educated do the following: be aggressive with your local school board. Inform your local board that if Texas’ standards/books are adopted or even hinted at that at the very least you’ll raise a royal stink that will not dissipate and that you may very well pull your children out of public school. And if push comes to shove you’ll follow through with the latter option. Declining enrollment in public schools means fewer gov’t dollars. School boards don’t like that. They really need the money.

    I can say this because I have no kids, but I do live in a city with an awful public school system and the Mr. and I have wondered aloud what we would have done in regards to education if we’d had kids.

    Ted, loved your comment.

  • Ted Powell:

    Rechelle wrote: From what you quoted, it appears that the NY times article is correct.Yes, in the article that Ann linked to Gail Lowe is putting up a smokescreen by implying that the NY Times has claimed total removal of Jefferson, listing a whole bunch of places from which he was not removed, and then failing to even mention—let alone justify—the removal mentioned in the Times article and quoted by you.I’ve added a second comment to the Gail Lowe article. The quote in my first comment there was from Blogging the Social Studies Debate IV, an article on the TFN Insider blog of the Texas Freedom Network (lots of other good articles there).

  • Ted Powell:

    Oops. Bad link there. Take two: Blogging the Social Studies Debate IV. Sorry ’bout that.

  • Boz:

    “The Texas BOE Votes to Homeschool Entire State”

    HAHAHAHA, what an excellent title,

    and a good article

  • This is the kind of stuff that caused me to quit teaching. I know I should have stayed and “fought the good fight” but I was just too tiny and frankly feared for my job and livelihood all the time. Plus, I am just too loudmouthed to be diplomatic in the face of talk like that of the Texas BOE. I couldn’t take it anymore, and got out while I could still save myself.

    If I do say so myself, I was an EXCELLENT teacher – one who actually cared about content and the potential for my students to succeed in college, nee, in life. It was an academic classroom, not watered down with a bunch of educational jargon and BS. I do feel that my potential students are the worse for missing out on my class. But, the big guns win and I ran away with my tail between my legs. My ulcer, my life, depended on it.

  • Cooter:

    Rechelle said: KM – Yes -Texas is making the public schools safe for the christian homeschoolers and everyone else will have to start homeschooling to preserve their children’s minds.

    Yep, that is a big part of what drove us into homeschooling, plus some sexist notions about my daughters not really needing to learn math . . .

  • “Yep, that is a big part of what drove us into homeschooling, plus some sexist notions about my daughters not really needing to learn math . . .”


    the worst part of course is that this will mean that the U.S. will have a wholly undereducated (well, more than it already does) population. Effective homeschooling will always be a minority solution for various (economic and other) reasons, so the vast majority of Americans will learn and absorb this tripe; and it will go downhill even faster when more and more of those parents who care will abandon public schools.

    Basically, it’s a prime example of the Tragedy of the Commons about to bite America in the collective ass.

  • What I’m unclear about in all of this is, exactly how many other SBOEs around the country follow the Texas recommendation? I hate to say it, but I wouldn’t be too surprised if the Kansas SBOE took this and ran with it.

  • Kelley, it might not even matter whether a lot of SBOE’s pick the same guidelines. Textbooks are designed to fit the California and Texas standards (and the California ones are more localized, so not as strong a determinant of what goes into textbooks), because they’re the biggest markets for textbooks. so often, other states are stuck with a selection of books designed for those markets, not for their own standards.

  • Where did you get the fact that the BOE are all Conservative Christians? You throw that term around more that Sen. Joseph McCarthy liked to use the “C-Word” in an effort to automatically discredit them with an ad hominem attack.

    You also accuse them of “remaking history”, yet carefully pick quotes out of context of Jefferson, Calvin, et al in order to suit your own objective.

    I can do it too:

    Thomas Jefferson owned slaves.

    John Calvin lead Geneva out of the dark Ages.

    Thomas Aquinas was a brilliant rationalist.

    • Jedi – I addressed (brilliantly I might add) Jefferson’s slaves in the post. Aquinas burned people at the stake. Calvin burned people at the stake. Jefferson burned no one at the stake. Jefferson wins. That was easy.

      As to throwing the term ‘conservative christian’ around – these people have self identified. I am only using the labels they prefer – except the dentist on the Texas BOE prefers ‘fundamentalist’. Would it make you happier if I used that term instead? Because it makes me no nevermind.

      McCarthy? Really? Methinks you oughtta re-read your history books dear. McCarthyism was about terrifying people who had the audacity to think. This would be the opposite of conservative christianity.

  • Cooter:

    You are right, Jadehawk, “it’s a prime example of the Tragedy of the Commons about to bite America in the collective ass.”

    We fought and fought with the school for a better math education. We tried not to put our children right in the evangelical cross hairs, but we certainly chafed at the religious materials that were sent home from the public school, and we were not willing to put up with the watering down of curriculum to avoid offending the religious (minimal in elementary school, but we live in Kansas – there was much worse coming, we knew).

    My wife and I never could enlist much support in the fight, so we said, “chuck it all, we are going to home school.” As soon as THAT word got around, we had other parents coming out of the woodwork telling us to come back and fight the school district some more, because their children needed things improved too. I suppose that we could have done that, but once bitten, twice shy, right? Plus, that wasn’t in the interest of our children at all, who had suffered plenty already.

    Of course, as you note, Jadehawk, WE COULD AFFORD TO DO THAT, both in terms of income (mine is enough for our family, so my wife could stay home) and in terms of education (both my wife and I are college educated, with degrees in engineering and hard science, respectively). We also have kids who are eager to learn and very talented, making home schooling easier (the oldest is now in a private prep school, and she has clearly benefited from her time at home, even among talented and motivated peers; her sister will join her when old enough).

    The pity is that most children don’t have these advantages – I certainly did not. The only actual solution to this particular problem is to beat the christianists at the ballot box again and again and again until they stop trying. In the short term, though, I can’t argue with anyone who goes all elitist and gets their kids a good education, even if everyone of us who does that harms the commons a little bit more.

  • Action Squirrel:

    I’ve been following these developments; shocking. And… not shocking. I clearly recall specifically NOT being taught in school about whether Native Americans thought it sucked that they were given smallpox blankets, slaughtered en masse, and generally holocausted out of a culture, livelihood, and homeland. Privileged schoolmates less argumentative than I learned to go along with the education they were given and, it must be said, certainly earned way more money than I did, much earlier.

  • There are two other noteworthy Jefferson quotes that were not included among those you posted –

    I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend.
    Thomas Jefferson

    I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions of others.
    Thomas Jefferson

    • Robbyn – Yeah – I am sure that Jefferson had lots of friends who thought slavery was perfectly okay and was happy to stay friends with them. This type of tolerance is something that I personally can’t stand. The same way I can’t tolerate people who think gays are defective or sinners. Tolerance is not all that it is cracked up to be. Jefferson said a lot of great things and was light years ahead of his time, but he had some serious flaws as well. So do you think that female circumcision is okay too Robbyn? Do you think it is okay to marry a twelve year old girl against her will? These are just a few of the sick things done in the name of religion. Should I tolerate those as well?

    • For one more example of disgusting religious practices that should not be tolerated in the Hasidic Jewish community read this article. It leads to death and mental retardation in infants and the NY mayor decided to protect the right anyway. All done for tolerance! Nice!

  • suzetta:

    “Tolerance is not all that it is cracked up to be”. I think you’ve found a new name for your blog!

  • My point was, Rechelle, that you can use Jefferson’s quotes both for and against your position. You seem to be upset that the christian church wiped out Jews, or allowed them to be wiped out throughout history because of their differences in beliefs but you now attack what you suppose mine and others’ to be. Who gets to determine what morality it self-evident? I’m serious, Rechelle…who gets to say what is right and wrong if there is no standard somewhere, and if there is a standard, is it universal? Some universal more, taboo? Anthropology shows that to not be an across-the-board thing. Who do I answer to besides myself for some sort of right and wrong? Is it all truly relative…if so, there’s no standard at all.

    Just throwing these questions out for discussion. But if you’re going to just snark them for the entertainment value, I won’t play :)

    • How is it snark Robbyn? Because I don’t agree with you and use a little wit to make my arguments? People are pretty good at making the rules themselves. Our democracy is based on Greek ideas and they were not a monotheistic culture. Aristotle called the god ‘unmoved mover’ recognizing that whatever god might be out there, he did not give a flying fig about humanity. Science has cured disease without relying on ‘god’s laws’ to make it happen. You simply use your brain. You use cause and effect. You create civil laws that have nothing to do with a god – but instead have to do with protecting life and liberty. There doesn’t have to be a ‘standard’. In fact, there isn’t a standard. Every country has a different set of laws based on a different god or a different version of what that culture (or it’s leaders) value. These standards are constantly in flux. You might remember a time in history when women could not vote or African Americans were enslaved. Then the standards changed and now there is more liberty for more people. Standards have always been created by people – it’s just that a lot of them use the ‘bully pulpit’ of god to give their laws more power. That doesn’t mean it is necessary or better.

  • P.S. I do believe in using the ol’ brain to reason right and wrong. It’s just that when you get 20 people in a room reasoning right and wrong with their own brains as the only standard, you have 20 differing versions of it…which one then is right…what is so logical to one is not to the next..who gets to call the shots and make the determination?

    • Robbyn – when you get twenty people in a room, you have twenty different versions of god. Which one is the real god? Which god gets to call the shots?

  • My final comment…20 people will have 20 different ideas of you or me and none of their ideas can encompass our complexity in its entirety nor wholly “explain” us. I feel no need to defend God to anyone and I don’t care who in history does or does not explain God or conceptualize God in a particular way. My beliefs are always progressing and are very much different than they were 10 years ago, a month ago, a day ago in big ways and small. I disagree that science that science can do squat without God, or that anything exists with God, but I don’t expect you to have to believe that or agree with me. Peace.

  • Ted Powell:

    Rechelle wrote: Science has cured disease without relying on ‘god’s laws’ to make it happen. You simply use your brain. You use cause and effect.Indeed, if scientific research into disease kept getting inconsistent results because of godly tweaking of experiments—whether at whim or in response to prayer—we would still be back in the age of holy water and bloodletting.R: You create civil laws that have nothing to do with a god – but instead have to do with protecting life and liberty.Sam Harris has quite a bit to say on the subject; 23:07 worth in the case of this lecture: Science can answer moral questions. Well worth watching.

  • Robbyn – Our complexity can be beautifully explained by natural selection and god is not necessary to this theory at all. The questions you need to start asking yourself are – if there is a god – why is their such an incredible unequal distribution of wealth. Why are some people forced to live lives of complete misery and others lives of ease. Why are babies born with hideous birth defects that have nothing to do with environmental causes. Why has god allowed all the various religious groups throughout time to commit mass murder, genocide, rape, and war in his name while he did nothing to prevent it? Where is this god of yours and why is he such a useless bastard? Oh wait!… because there isn’t one. See. Now doesn’t that make much more sense.

  • Brian V.:

    Quote from the article Rechelle listed above at

    Regarding the religio kooky loops who like to suck the blood off little Jewish penises that have just been razored for God, uh, uhhhh, uhhhhh, what the hell can one say??? Don’t mess with people who intend to harm their own children, whether it’s to beat the crap out of them or suck blood from their genital areas. This stuff just confirms all the research done by psychohistorians and others to document intentional harm done to children done through the ages, from binding to beating, belittling and buggering….bloody hell, you name it: It is okay to do it to kids. Lloyd DeMause has some of the horrors documented in various publications, a few of which are available on the net, I think.

  • Saw this on Jon Stewart and thought you’d enjoy it, Rechelle.