Comments on: What If I'm Wrong? http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/ Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:09:32 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Priss http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17100 Priss Fri, 05 Mar 2010 20:59:08 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17100 I just saw this and thought it fit into this discussion. Elisabeth, it is a response to the idea that people of faith have nothing to lose by believing. http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Image:Cectic-Without_Hesitation.jpg I just saw this and thought it fit into this discussion. Elisabeth, it is a response to the idea that people of faith have nothing to lose by believing.

http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Image:Cectic-Without_Hesitation.jpg

]]> By: Lurker111 http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17099 Lurker111 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:53:41 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17099 Elisabeth said: "What if the atheists are wrong?…..hmmm" I assume you're asking, what if the god of the Bible exists as described? If that's the case, then all is lost, because that entity, as described, is a psychopath, and whether you're in heaven or hell, it'll all be hell. Elisabeth said:

“What if the atheists are wrong?…..hmmm”

I assume you’re asking, what if the god of the Bible exists as described?

If that’s the case, then all is lost, because that entity, as described, is a psychopath, and whether you’re in heaven or hell, it’ll all be hell.

]]> By: Boz http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17098 Boz Mon, 01 Mar 2010 00:00:19 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17098 Rechelle said:"JJ – You are right. I had zero interest in talking about god when I was a christian. I hated the idea of turning off my non-christian readers. I didn’t want to lose them or offend them. I had many misgivings about my own faith and I certainly had no desire to jump on the hallelujia christian bandwagon with a bible verse up in the right hand corner of my blog. But religion has always held a fascination for me. Finally being able to talk about it in a way that makes sense to me (that it is completely made-up and a fraud) is a huge relief and something that I am truly enjoying." Rechelle, do you have knowledge of other religions, or other sects within christianity? I would be interested in the occasional post on these topics, in addition to your current posts, if you feel comfortable writing about it. Rechelle said:”JJ – You are right. I had zero interest in talking about god when I was a christian. I hated the idea of turning off my non-christian readers. I didn’t want to lose them or offend them. I had many misgivings about my own faith and I certainly had no desire to jump on the hallelujia christian bandwagon with a bible verse up in the right hand corner of my blog. But religion has always held a fascination for me. Finally being able to talk about it in a way that makes sense to me (that it is completely made-up and a fraud) is a huge relief and something that I am truly enjoying.”

Rechelle, do you have knowledge of other religions, or other sects within christianity? I would be interested in the occasional post on these topics, in addition to your current posts, if you feel comfortable writing about it.

]]> By: amy http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17097 amy Sun, 28 Feb 2010 18:45:02 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17097 @Lori-- If you are genuinely seeking truth, you should be willing to look at the foundations of your faith from all angles--not just the christian apologetics perspective. Can I recommend any of Bart Ehrman's books on New Testament textual criticism? He's a respected biblical scholar who was once an evangelical. Your truth is only as strong as your ability to look at it from all angles (even the ones not approved by your church). @all the whiners who are angry at Rechelle for not writing about what they want to read--get over yourselves! Are you paying for a product here? Why the hell do you think you have ANY say over what Rechelle decides to blog??? Craziness. @Rechelle--I'm a former evangelical (once in full time christian work) who loves your blog. It is quite a life-changing experience when one finally sees the big and gorgeous world after being immersed in a tiny christian bubble. Congratulations! @Lori–

If you are genuinely seeking truth, you should be willing to look at the foundations of your faith from all angles–not just the christian apologetics perspective. Can I recommend any of Bart Ehrman’s books on New Testament textual criticism? He’s a respected biblical scholar who was once an evangelical. Your truth is only as strong as your ability to look at it from all angles (even the ones not approved by your church).

@all the whiners who are angry at Rechelle for not writing about what they want to read–get over yourselves! Are you paying for a product here? Why the hell do you think you have ANY say over what Rechelle decides to blog??? Craziness.

@Rechelle–I’m a former evangelical (once in full time christian work) who loves your blog. It is quite a life-changing experience when one finally sees the big and gorgeous world after being immersed in a tiny christian bubble. Congratulations!

]]> By: Joel Wheeler http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17096 Joel Wheeler Sun, 28 Feb 2010 17:11:35 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17096 If your motivation for believing is, truly, "what if I'm wrong?" then you believe because you are afraid of being wrong, and the punishment that 'being wrong' would allegedly entail. And your line of 'reasoning' will never convince anyone who doesn't like being threatened. If your motivation for believing is, truly, “what if I’m wrong?” then you believe because you are afraid of being wrong, and the punishment that ‘being wrong’ would allegedly entail.

And your line of ‘reasoning’ will never convince anyone who doesn’t like being threatened.

]]> By: Keith Allison http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17095 Keith Allison Sun, 28 Feb 2010 12:18:58 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17095 @ Lori, Sorry, Lori, the burden of proof for any extraordinary claim lies with the claimant, not those of us who live in the real world. We are ALL born atheists, some of us just manage to avoid the conditioning that you obviously bought into. @ Lori,

Sorry, Lori, the burden of proof for any extraordinary claim lies with the claimant, not those of us who live in the real world. We are ALL born atheists, some of us just manage to avoid the conditioning that you obviously bought into.

]]> By: Revyloution http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17094 Revyloution Sun, 28 Feb 2010 07:28:35 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17094 Every time I hear the phrase 'but what if you're wrong?' I want to start up the band again. The band? Yes, the band. We had a band, but never had a great band name. Years after it broke up, I finally came up with a great band name. Pascal's Bookies. Every time I hear the phrase ‘but what if you’re wrong?’ I want to start up the band again.

The band? Yes, the band. We had a band, but never had a great band name. Years after it broke up, I finally came up with a great band name.

Pascal’s Bookies.

]]> By: Elisabeth http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17093 Elisabeth Sun, 28 Feb 2010 06:16:15 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17093 What "IF" the Christians are wrong?....they have nothing to lose. What if the atheists are wrong?.....hmmm What “IF” the Christians are wrong?….they have nothing to lose.
What if the atheists are wrong?…..hmmm

]]> By: Lisa http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17092 Lisa Sun, 28 Feb 2010 02:43:17 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17092 Rechelle, darling (since that seems to be your favorite form of address), You've become somewhat of a one-note song, haven't you? I had no problems with you deciding to be an atheist, so long as you continued to be funny, insightful, and smart. But Jesus Christ (HA - yeah, see what I did there??), you are worse than a born-again Christian going on and on and freaking ON. I really gave it a chance after your earth shattering, mind boggling, life changing, very important, not to be missed, OH MY GOD LOOK AT ME revelation, but damn...you've become a Friday turd at a Saturday market. Get the feck OVER yourself already! TTFE! Rechelle, darling (since that seems to be your favorite form of address),
You’ve become somewhat of a one-note song, haven’t you? I had no problems with you deciding to be an atheist, so long as you continued to be funny, insightful, and smart. But Jesus Christ (HA – yeah, see what I did there??), you are worse than a born-again Christian going on and on and freaking ON.

I really gave it a chance after your earth shattering, mind boggling, life changing, very important, not to be missed, OH MY GOD LOOK AT ME revelation, but damn…you’ve become a Friday turd at a Saturday market. Get the feck OVER yourself already!

TTFE!

]]> By: just a farm girl http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17091 just a farm girl Sat, 27 Feb 2010 17:36:49 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17091 Brian V Huh? Brian V

Huh?

]]> By: Brian V. http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17090 Brian V. Sat, 27 Feb 2010 15:24:42 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17090 @just a farm girl, our interests and needs are often quite labile and go to and fro like winds from four directions through four seasons and around again. Rechelle's journey is bringing you some pain and I suspect that yours brings some her way as well. @mom could be my own mother, words with little, flesh-tearing fishhooks attached. "Your going to have to hit those kids!" she used to tell me as I watched my children louding playing. I refused to 'correct' them because they didn't appear to need it, regardless the bible verses and so on... It is wonderful that you feel inspired to search further and seek new strength.... as you say, people are people and we go through such changes over time. If you ever need to make a joke at another's expense or even condemn someone to eternal fire, try to forgive yourself for your excesses and allow a balance to be again.... Durrell once said that during the writing of his Alexandria Quartet, he would pile his hand-written pages on his desk and at times his little daughter would come in and take some. I think he said that she would lose them or destroy them in one way or another and Durrell would simply accept this as a form of editing he had not known before. I think that attitude is kind of neat. Dogmatic believers sometimes strike me as wildy kooky editors of reality and drive me to distraction. They do this because of my fundy background and sometimes I react quite caustically, unlike Durrell... but sometimes I can sit back as he did and watch the 'editing' in relative peace. I wish both you and @mom peace and warm Spring weather. @just a farm girl, our interests and needs are often quite labile and go to and fro like winds from four directions through four seasons and around again. Rechelle’s journey is bringing you some pain and I suspect that yours brings some her way as well. @mom could be my own mother, words with little, flesh-tearing fishhooks attached. “Your going to have to hit those kids!” she used to tell me as I watched my children louding playing. I refused to ‘correct’ them because they didn’t appear to need it, regardless the bible verses and so on… It is wonderful that you feel inspired to search further and seek new strength…. as you say, people are people and we go through such changes over time. If you ever need to make a joke at another’s expense or even condemn someone to eternal fire, try to forgive yourself for your excesses and allow a balance to be again…. Durrell once said that during the writing of his Alexandria Quartet, he would pile his hand-written pages on his desk and at times his little daughter would come in and take some. I think he said that she would lose them or destroy them in one way or another and Durrell would simply accept this as a form of editing he had not known before. I think that attitude is kind of neat. Dogmatic believers sometimes strike me as wildy kooky editors of reality and drive me to distraction. They do this because of my fundy background and sometimes I react quite caustically, unlike Durrell… but sometimes I can sit back as he did and watch the ‘editing’ in relative peace. I wish both you and @mom peace and warm Spring weather.

]]> By: Lori Eaker http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17089 Lori Eaker Sat, 27 Feb 2010 14:27:50 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17089 Cheyenne and Kristy K- Thanks for the kind words. My first m/c did cause much anger towards God and lots of questions. My second, not so much. Maybe b/c I had been thru it before. I don't know. I have questioned my faith, decided to continue believing and also decided my faith wasn't my own UNTIL I questioned it. I grew up in a christian household and I wanted to know down deep if I believed in Christ b/c of that or b/c I truly believed in Him. Through some soul searching I came to the conclusion even if no one else believed I still would... Some of you have missed my points altogether and some of you have just been plain snarky. It does prove to me people are people whether they are christian or atheist. I have met some arrogant, obnoxious christians in my day and now I have "met" some arrogant, obnoxious atheists. But in all fairness, you all have inspired me to dig deeper in my beliefs and I will be spending some time brushing up on my apologetics and learning how to defend my faith in a stronger way. Cheyenne and Kristy K- Thanks for the kind words. My first m/c did cause much anger towards God and lots of questions. My second, not so much. Maybe b/c I had been thru it before. I don’t know. I have questioned my faith, decided to continue believing and also decided my faith wasn’t my own UNTIL I questioned it. I grew up in a christian household and I wanted to know down deep if I believed in Christ b/c of that or b/c I truly believed in Him. Through some soul searching I came to the conclusion even if no one else believed I still would…

Some of you have missed my points altogether and some of you have just been plain snarky. It does prove to me people are people whether they are christian or atheist. I have met some arrogant, obnoxious christians in my day and now I have “met” some arrogant, obnoxious atheists. But in all fairness, you all have inspired me to dig deeper in my beliefs and I will be spending some time brushing up on my apologetics and learning how to defend my faith in a stronger way.

]]> By: just a farm girl http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17088 just a farm girl Sat, 27 Feb 2010 13:46:45 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17088 So rechelle--the old you did NOT want to talk about God because it would "turn off" your nonchristian readers.......but the new, kind, atheist rechelle doesn't care who she offends? Or have you always wanted to pander to the unbelieving crowd and now you have a new way to do that?? Or are you still trying to get back at the homeschooler elitists who bothered you so much in the first place? You know---the ones who Pioneer Woman has sold out to--those holier than thous. Why let anyone get under your skin like that? Why let them change you? I know you believe you are not filled with hate but I agree with mom. I love the discussion but can do without the hate. So rechelle–the old you did NOT want to talk about God because it would “turn off” your nonchristian readers…….but the new, kind, atheist rechelle doesn’t care who she offends? Or have you always wanted to pander to the unbelieving crowd and now you have a new way to do that?? Or are you still trying to get back at the homeschooler elitists who bothered you so much in the first place? You know—the ones who Pioneer Woman has sold out to–those holier than thous. Why let anyone get under your skin like that? Why let them change you? I know you believe you are not filled with hate but I agree with mom. I love the discussion but can do without the hate.

]]> By: Jaclyn Bailey http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17087 Jaclyn Bailey Sat, 27 Feb 2010 07:02:53 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17087 Ted- I stated that I refused to comment on it because I have strong feelings on the subject and that was my way of stating that while I had a strong opinion that I refused to get dragged into that particular debate.... It was also my way of letting Rechelle know that I had read the post and was choosing to ask a question unrelated to said post. I think that she did a relatively good job of answering that question without answering me directly. Her next post was funny. Old Rechelle funny. Yes it had some "crazy Christian" sentiments... but even I think that lady was a whack-a-doodle. I mean seriously. I wasn't trying to be mean and petty. I was genuinely just asking if the tone of the posts was going to become more funny and lighthearted. Oh and Tonya... I forgot to add this before... I can in fact show you with proof that I don't have an issue with reading blogs by people with different opinions. The panopticon is a blog written by a homosexual Buddhist male knitter. From Mormon to Atheist is written by a friend of mine who was a hardcore Mormon and is now an atheist trying to find her way. C Jane Enjoy it is written by a hardcore Mormon who often talks about how awesome she believes Mormonism to be... there are others, but I am not going to sit here and list every single blog I read whose author has a different belief system. You can check them for yourself. I have a list o'blogs I read right on the right side of my blog. Oh.... and Ted, it is kinda creepy that you felt the need to google my comments history. Sorry. Ted- I stated that I refused to comment on it because I have strong feelings on the subject and that was my way of stating that while I had a strong opinion that I refused to get dragged into that particular debate…. It was also my way of letting Rechelle know that I had read the post and was choosing to ask a question unrelated to said post. I think that she did a relatively good job of answering that question without answering me directly. Her next post was funny. Old Rechelle funny. Yes it had some “crazy Christian” sentiments… but even I think that lady was a whack-a-doodle. I mean seriously.

I wasn’t trying to be mean and petty. I was genuinely just asking if the tone of the posts was going to become more funny and lighthearted.

Oh and Tonya… I forgot to add this before… I can in fact show you with proof that I don’t have an issue with reading blogs by people with different opinions. The panopticon is a blog written by a homosexual Buddhist male knitter. From Mormon to Atheist is written by a friend of mine who was a hardcore Mormon and is now an atheist trying to find her way. C Jane Enjoy it is written by a hardcore Mormon who often talks about how awesome she believes Mormonism to be… there are others, but I am not going to sit here and list every single blog I read whose author has a different belief system. You can check them for yourself. I have a list o’blogs I read right on the right side of my blog.

Oh…. and Ted, it is kinda creepy that you felt the need to google my comments history. Sorry.

]]> By: DirtyKSmama - Nikki http://www.rechelleunplugged.com/2010/02/what-if-im-wrong/#comment-17086 DirtyKSmama - Nikki Sat, 27 Feb 2010 05:00:01 +0000 http://mysistersfarmhouse.com/?p=4096#comment-17086 Um...Ted...dude...it's still creepy. Um…Ted…dude…it’s still creepy.

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